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b4cchaplain |
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thanks patrick, didn't get there today, went for a rdie on the V star instead!! freezing up tamborine today, will keep that in mind, we aint got 160 for a
pump quite yetso it will have to sit for a while..... again.
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b4cchaplain |
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yep, got the bike started and running and warmed up, etc etc, didn't do the pressure test, went and bought a $3.95 led torch laid on the ground and just
watched, went for a coffee, came back and sure enough there was that drip starting in the bypass hole of the water pump, but it was definite.... just gotta
wait for the dollars now for a new water pump, thanks all we had crawled around and under that thing soo many times trying to find it, the led light actually
shows the bypass hole quite well and even though it didn't leak there and then the green drip appeared, I bumped the bike while down there and made it drip
out, a few minutes later the drip appeared again but still didn't leak, so must have been real early stage of it wearing! Thanks for the help.
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Patrickp93 |
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I hope it solves you cooling system problems Roscoe they can be a real pain and you can have more than one some times and you don't pick up on them until
the gang up on you and start working together I recently had the entry tube from the radiator in the recovery bottle get blocked an it was building so much
pressure that the hose clamps where weaping the pressure out and then sucking air back in from were ever it could and pumping the system down over a few warm
ups also had a bit of a green mark around the weep hole but never saw any drips but saw a few on the hoses I was convinced the pump was buggered but I ran a
3.5 or 4 mm drill though the inlet tube moulding and have done aboout 7000k's now with no trouble. If the pressure cannot get out any where else some
times the seal is the weakest link so if I were you now I would take the cap to the radator repair shop and make sure that it releases at about 14psi [dont
always asume a new one is right some of them are just crapp] and you should be able to suck back though it freely also pop the retune tube of the radator cap
fill tube and make sure that you can blow bubbles into the recovery bottle you may not have to lash out with that 160 just yet thats nealy 5 cartons or three
of the good stuff.
Regards Patrick O yea take the cap of the recovery bottle or you will not be able to blow many bubbles but you might blow some thing else that will be uncomfatable.
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27-Jun-08 8:54 PM.
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b4cchaplain |
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ok, patrick, lets say it is the cap or return tube, even though it leaks via the bypass on the water pump would that still not mean that we need a new water
pump, I thought the cap run on heat temp to open etc or is that just the thermostat (know nothing about cars mate, very little about cooling systems on a bike
except where to fill it and colour of liquid)....... Funny thing is for months it has been blowing bubbles back into the resevoir tank, can hear it when ya
pull up at lights. This is what I find strange with the water pump, one day it will be a puddle then nothing for a few days, then a drip, this time round I
only found the drip and it was not on the ground either, I had to get my head under the bike with the LED to actually see it sitting there in the bypass hole.
Hoses all feel good, nicend soft, maybe I should just start replacing the cheaper items like cap again and thermostat first, I read somewhere around here that
there are cheaper alternatives from car models on these parts??
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Patrickp93 |
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Hello Rosco The cap opens on rise of pressure, on the gtr the presure range is 13.2 to17.9psi, any cap at that pressure will do, we raise preressure to
raise the boiling point, we raise the boiling point because the higher and more constant the temp the less wear, the problem with running at high temps is that
we form small bubbles of steam on the water side of the cylinder walls which go out of shape with the shock waves of the cylinder and when they reform they are
pireced by a spear of water which pases strait though and into the cylinder wall this cleans off a little crapp and that point then transfers the heat better
so bubbles the continue to form at that spot and so you end up with pin holes though your cylinder walls, so by raising the pressure we raise the boiling point
and stop the damage, most mechanics will tell you that this is electrolis but it's caviation which is complety different. I think your pump is most likly
shot but that may be because of or by some other problem so best to check a few thing as you go.
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Patrickp93 |
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Roscoe I just when for a good long ride on the old Z900 and had a bit of a think about your blowing bubbles thingey, them meggerphone 4 into 1's do
stimulate the brain cells you know, do you top up at the radatior cap when cold before you start up, the filler bottle will only work if the cooling system is
solid water no air, blowing bubbles loud enough to be able to hear at the traffic lights sound as though it could be a bit major but don't get ya nickers
in a twist just yet fill the radaitor up at the cap and blead the air out at the thermostate bleader run it a little but don't get it two hot and re check
it, when you are sure it is solid water make sure the resovor is half full and take it for a bit of a ride and see what happens or find some one at a natrad
shop[radator repairs] with half a brain and get them to have a look It could be thermostate jaming closed, the impeler falling of the water pump sharft, or one
of those scary internal problems if you want to bring it down hear we could have a beer and sourt it out but that might be a bit of a trip for you on a bike
with a few issues.
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b4cchaplain |
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ok patrick, thanks mate, sort of makes sense now, I have ridden bikes all my life, refuse to touch a car and never learned anything about water cooled bikes at
college, that was in 86 no idea why they didn't teach us the old "water bus" was around from donkeys years, always balked at touching a water
cooled bike, but hey, gotta learn some time might as well be sooner. Never touched a rotary either come to think of it. Z900 with megaphones....... sounds
nice, mate of mine Viv from Z Owners is restoring two Z9's one of them as a street fighter!!!
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b4cchaplain |
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ok have replaced the cap, worked for about 2 weeks, water pump now on order but I am sure I read somewhere and can't find it a alternative for the
thermostat?? I want to replace that as well.
Found the alternative for hoses doing them too! Sorry to be a pain in the butt,. |
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b4cchaplain |
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Anyone know what the replacement part for the thermostat is? I recall it may have been a mazda thermo or something?? Help!
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Patrickp93 |
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Hello Rosco I don't know a same swap but if you take the old one with you to get the size and find one that opens between 80 and 84 degres and fully open
at 95 you will be OK but some one here will know a equevilent, just be sure to put it in the right way up and I don't mean to be a smart a#se but it is
easy to do it wrong I mostly get them bolted in then undo them just to check
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reader57 |
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Kawa Part # 49054-1051 Also used on 1983 Honda Accord (US Model?) ACDelco: 131-17 Mitsubishi: MB221855 Stant: 35368 or 13368 Toyota: 16401-63010. Have a guess
what I am looking to replace. I go for a ride 50 or so klms and when I return to town (60kph) my temp guage soars up to well past halfway and doesn't
return until I hit highway speeds again.
Peter H
1000GTR Blue 2001 "JB" GTR-AUS #179 Ulysses #49641 Swan Hill Victoria |
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b4cchaplain |
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ok cool, thanks peoples, I just ordered some iridium plugs from USA as well, exchange rate sucks at the moment got the 4 of them for $55 landed so thats not so
bad, thanks for the info for the thermostat thought we better get onto it before summer heat gets here.
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b4cchaplain |
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what a nightmare that was!! Someone previously stuffed the inside bolt on the thermostat!!
Anyway, has anybody here used that new coolant called "Motorcycle Ice" it is blue in colour and about 29 bucks for 3 Ltrs...... is it any good for the GTR, got some mates using it in their Trumphs. |
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Grey Gentry |
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Motorcycle Ice sounds like a bikie drug to me. Nope never even heard of it. I guess as long as it has all the right ingredients (anti-corode, anti-freeze)
then it'd be ok.
Ron
Mildura GTR-AUS #20 The life of a motorcycle rider, giving way, when you have the right of way. |
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Murphyau |
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" has anybody here used that new coolant called "Motorcycle Ice" it is blue in colour "
I've never heard of "Motorcycle Ice" but there is a product called " Engine Ice " that is blue in colour and been around for a while. Typical use (street) will see a ~15C drop in engine temps. Just make sure you flush the old coolant out of the cooling system properly before using it. For that matter, flush the cooling system correctly whenever you change any coolant. Mix the tap water/ white vinegar at 50/50 ratio, fill the coolant system with the solution, bleed the coolant system, run engine until normal operating temps, stop the engine and let it cool completely, drain solution, run clear distilled water through to rinse out vinegar solution, fill with the coolant of your choice, bleed coolant system and ride away. Regards, Steve Sydney, Oz. |
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reader57 |
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Just an up date on my Thermostat problem. Replaced the thermostat with Kawa part at the last service on Thursday last week. Rode the bike on the weekend and
yesterday and the problem has been solved with all the cooling bits doing their jobs properly.
Peter H
1000GTR Blue 2001 "JB" GTR-AUS #179 Ulysses #49641 Swan Hill Victoria |
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b4cchaplain |
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ooopppsss, my bad yeah "engine ice" might try it, see how our leak goes first.
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Typhoon 90 |
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Don't waste your money on the "super" coolants. They don't do what they promise. Just use a high quality anti freeze/corrosion inhibitor.
Spend the money on cooling system maintenence if you have a problem, flush cooling system with a roper cleaner. Any half well maintained GTR has AMPLE cooling for any temperatures you will see here, in any traffic....... Regards, Andrew. |
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b4cchaplain |
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yep no woories thanks typhoon, ended up our leak that we had - stopped? I dunno, maybe the seal dried out and leaked a little to begin with but now all is
good, we did have a good quality coolant already in the system after doing the pump, I just thought we would lose it all if we had to do all the seals, but all
is good!!
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Typhoon 90 |
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b4cchaplain wrote: O rings can be like that, even just moving a sliding joint with an O ring in it can cause it to re seal. Regards, Andrew. |
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